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Wikipedia on boxer dog pictures
I'm sure this will be met with resistance, but galleries shouldn't be a free-for-all of whoever wants to see their dog online. -- Pharaoh Hound 13:26, 26 January 2007 (UTC)
Tempermant
Do we really need to plagiarize to describe their temper?
The character of the Boxer is of the greatest importance and demands the most careful attention. He is renowned for his great love and faithfulness to his master and household, his alertness, and fearless courage as a defender and protector. The Boxer is docile but distrustful of strangers. He is bright and friendly in play but brave and determined when roused. His intelligence and willing tractability, his modesty, and cleanliness make him a highly desirable family dog and cheerful companion. He is the soul of honesty and loyalty. He is never false or treacherous even in his old age.
Sure, it is referenced, but I am sure their is a better way to write it without plagiarizing
Hereis the original work. --K8TEK 18:33, 13 February 2007 (UTC)
I didn't add the speedy deletion crap. Get your facts straight.--K8TEK 17:33, 15 February 2007 (UTC)
kool! i am getting a white boxer dog! i am almost 10 years old.boxers are beautiful. it is 3 weeks old! its name is tito.
-taylor
Re-removal of certain images
I removed the two photos bc...
1). The puppy picture had a color already shown. Also, one cutesy puppy picture is enough for a couple-paragraph section.
2). Nursing puppies does not actually clarify the passage about the inherited disorders of Boxers.
VanTucky 20:55, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
Then put it back in the infobox or the A-framce pic if you want, but seven pictures is too many for such a small article. Especially another puppy pic. We're not just talking about usefullness here, there needs to be an acceptably low ratio of images-content. Even without that one it is really too many, but I let the rest slide (such as the historical breed photos) because they arent just more silly pet pictures. VanTucky 21:59, 3 May 2007 (UTC)
English Bulldog
I'm putting back English Bulldog instead of Bulldog since there are more than on "Bulldog" breed and outside UK the "bulldog" is known as English Bulldog. In Brazil, for example, the correct breed name is "Buldogue Inglês" (English Bulldog). Even the bulldog article itself makes this clear in the opening. There's no point confusing the boxer article: the boxer was breed to the English Bulldog, if we keep only bulldog then it could have been the French Bulldog, the Old Enlgish Bulldog, etc. For the sake of clearness I will maintain the English prepended to bulldog. We can discuss it here in the talk further. If there is consensus to the contrary I will gladly step aside. Loudenvier 14:18, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
I've put in the Bulldog article that "English Bulldog" is specifically a colloquial usage, the correct breed name for most countries in in fact Bulldog, not English Bulldog (though there are a few countries which use local language to name the breed, the correct breed name is or should be unaltered).
The fact that there are many types of Bulldog is irrelevant due to the fact that Bulldog refers to only one of those types and not any sub-genus of the dog, or breed type. A Bulldog is a separate dog, and comparing to a French Bulldog is not consistent as French Bulldog is not a colloquialism but a correct breed name whereas English Bulldog is a colloquialism, therefore not suitable for Wiki. Also Dachshund, means "Badger Dog" in translation but we have retained the breed name from its country of origin which is the worldwide standard for dog-naming: see, Weimerarner, Shar Pei etc. This should also be applied for the Bulldog across articles as it is not ambiguous and refers to one type of dog in particular. The link itself refers to Bulldog, not any other kind therefore it should be using the correct breed name for the link as is the Wiki standard and as a result should be Bulldog, not English Bulldog.
By way of comparison regarding naming conventions, look at the German Shepherd. In certain countries, it was known for a long time as an Alsatian and still is to a certain extent in the countries noted in the article. However, that is not the correct breed name and a point of this is made in the article itself - the dog should be referred to as a "German Shepherd" and not an "Alsatian". The same should be applied to the Bulldog, as it is not an English or British Bulldog, but purely a Bulldog.
Summing up really, there is no ambiguity in using "Bulldog" as it refers solely to one specific dog and the link goes to the correct article which if there is any ambiguity, clears it up in the first line. However, the link should be made using standard naming conventions and the breed name is "Bulldog" not "English Bulldog" as it is not a correct breed name, translation or otherwise. As a result, for clarity and correctness it should be "Bulldog" in the article and not "English Bulldog". Drivenapart 08:15, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
- Thank you, I appreciate what you said there.
Regards Drivenapart 15:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
Health of White Boxers
Loudenvier wrote (in "Reason for Editing" comment): "I do also agree that white color makes no correlation to health problems but we NEED to find external references to back this up..."
How do you find references to back up a negative? I'd be happy to provide them, but other than deafness, no one has studied health problems associated with the extreme piebald gene, because there's no evidence that there are any.
On the other hand, 66.177.191.246, there is ample evidence showing that deafness is associated with the extreme piebald gene. Visit http://www.lsu.edu/deafness/deaf.htm for a plethora of information on this fact.
Newcastle 19:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
Piccolo von Angertor lineage
I´ve discovered on http://www.americanboxerclub.org/boxer_history.html the lineage of the branch that resulted in Piccolo von Argentor. I´ll have to update the graph to reflect this, but I haven´t the time to do this yet. Did you think it´s best for the article to update the text only after updating the graph? Or some transient inconsistency is bearable? To summarize his lineage is:
- Alt's Flora II (not on graph) is sister to Alt´s Schecken .
- Alt´s Flora II mated with her father Lechner´s Box to produce Maier´s Lord (the first notable boxer sire)
- Maier´s Boxer was mated with Maier´s Flora of unknown parentage which produced Piccolo von Angertor
Regards Loudenvier 20:30, 10 May 2006 (UTC)
Removal of almost all pictures
Hi all. It's been a long time since I last contributed to this article, or to ikipedia in general, since I was taking a break from wikipedia. Of course, when I came back I came to visit "my" beloved Boxer (dog) :-) article. I was happy to see new people contributing to it, but I noticed that some actions were too drastic. The article clearly needed a clean-up, since it had way too many pictures, but now it has too few! I think a picture that adds to the article should be kept. I think the action was too drastic because it seemed to not have been based on a careful appraisal of each picture in the context of the article. For example, in the process, the picture of the first boxers in the first show was DELETED! Could anyone provide a rationale for that? It took a user:Njyoder had to actually put it back and back up it with a rationale regarding its milestone quality, or else it would be deleted again... The picture of the young boxer with the ears tapped was also REMOVED with no regard to the value it adds to the article. It's said a picture is worth a thousand words... Well, not in wikipedia, it seems. The nursing picture in the health section was also removed... What is the rationale? Load in wikipedia servers? Layout? I'm not advocating a bloated with pictures article, but overall I think the quality of the article is worse now than when I "left" wikipedia... There isn't even a decent fawn boxer picture, and fawn is the color we immediately links to the boxer. Loudenvier 16:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
Disruptive behavior
I'm trying very hard to work with other people on this article but all I'm getting is disruptive behavior from one editor. I'm not trying to promote my view by doing the archival, it was a pain to simply load this page in my browser since it went way too long. Most of the discussions are already settled. Only the bulldog vs British spelling was really still active. The argument about pictures was discussed and it lead to nowhere, I've tried to substituted the bloated discussion with a cleaner, more democratic version that would encourage collective participation. My edits were considered vandalism, which is an injury to me personally as I never, ever practiced any act of vandalism in wikipedia (the worse that I did was to have violated the 3RR rule fighting a vandal, who later was blocked indefinitely from editing in wikipedia). Anyway, since that other editor demonstrated it's concern about the purpose of my archival process I have gladly brought back the long, fruitless conversation to the
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